To już co prawda jest w temacie o WAB'ie, ale tutaj pozwalam sobie wrzucić razem z armiami których używałem do testów. Z góry przepraszam, że po angielsku, ale nie chce mi się całości tłumaczyć. Mam nadzieje, że niedługo Jeff Jonas, autor podręcznika 'Alexander the Great' wrzuci to, zgodnie z obietnicą, na swoją stronę
www.ancientbattles.com.
W przypadku jakichkolwiek pytań co tych list - proszę pytać w temacie WAB albo na priva, chętnie odpowiem.
ALTERNATIVE ARMY LISTS TO ‘ALEXANDER THE GREAT’
I. Parmenion's Vanguard in Asia - 336-334 BC.
Expeditionary force send by king Philip to Asia was led by his trusted general, Parmenion. Corps was not big, from 7000 to 10 000 infantry and up to 1000 cavalry. Parmenion was firstly fighting against Athenian allies in Proportis (Sea of Marmar), then he was ordered by king to prepare 'safe ground' for planned invasion of Persia. It is probably that some part of that corps was withdrawn to Macedonia after Philip's death, but rest, still led by Parmenion, fight against Persian forces until spring of 334 BC. Parmenion's forces welcome main Macedonian forces after they cross the Hellespont and vanguard cease to exist as a independent force.
We can only speculate what kind of formations were part of Parmenion's forces. There is some evidence that Greek Mercenaries were main part of vanguard, it is also possible that Parmenion was in charge of some Prodromoi and allies/mercenaries from Thrace.
Army list (based on Rise of Macedon):
1. Characters - up to 25 %:
- Army must be led by Strategos Parmenion. He costs 180 pts with special rule Old and Wise - at the end of deployment he can redeploy one of his unit.
- Officers
2. Cavalry - up to 25%:
- 0-1 Companion (no Agema upgrade) - it is probably, that some elite Macedonian cavalry was used in expedition
- 0-2 Prodromoi (you don't need Companion Cavalry to field them, both units can be upgraded with kontos) - according to wall-painting from tomb from Noussa in Central Macedonia we can suppose that some Prodromoi fight against Persian during Philip’ reign.
- Light Cavalry
3. Phalangites - up to 25%:
- only Pezhetairoi can be taken (no Agema upgrade, no drilled unites) - some Phalangites could be fighting in that area (especially against Athenian allies) and return to Macedonia at the beginning of Alexander's reign.
4. Skirmishers - up to 25%:
- Mercenaries
- Skirmishers
5. Greek Mercenaries - at least 25%:
- 0-1 Xenagos,
- 0-2 Greek Cavalry,
- 1+ Hoplites (every second unit can be Veteran, no League Hoplites allowed),
- 0-2 Iphicrateans,
- Peltasts,
- Psiloi,
6. Allies - up to 25%:
- Thracian: 0-1 Chieftain, Warriors, Light Cavalry,
- Illyrians - Skirmishers, Light Cavalry.
Parmenion's Vanguard in Asia - 336-334 BC. – 2000 pts army.
1. Parmenion – warhorse, heavy armour, xyston – 191 pts.
2. Illarch - warhorse, heavy armour, xyston – 66 pts.
3. 9 x Prodromoi – kontos, Leader, Musician – 226 pts.
4. 10 x Mercenary Javelinmen – 70 pts.
5. 10 x Mercenary Bowmen – 80 pts.
6. 10 x Light Cavalry – Musician, javelins – 155 pts.
7. Xenagos – large shield, light armour – 60 pts.
8. 23 x Mercenary Hoplites – L.M – 240 pts.
9. 24 x Mercenary Hoplites – L,M – 250 pts.
10. 10 x Iphicrateans – 100 pts.
11. 10 x Iphicrateans – 100 pts.
12. 16 x Peltasts – thrusting spears, shields, L,M – 138 pts.
13. 10 x Greek Horse – heavy armour, L, M – 180 pts.
14. 11 Psiloi – 44 pts.
Army was tested against Memnon’s Army – between 25 to 75 % Greek Mercenaries, at least 25 % Persians, up to 25 % Levies.
II. Antipater's Army in Macedonia and Greek - 334-322
Antipater was royal regent left in Macedonia, his main mission was to ensure peace in occupied Greece. Alexander was forced to leave with Antipater almost half of original Macedonian army - six TAXEIS (battalions) of Pezhetairoi (probably they were recruited from Central Macedonia and composed of more reliable soldiers) and some light troops - about 12 000 infantry at all plus about 1500 Macedonian cavalry - mostly Companions (Hetairoi).
Antipater's task wasn't easy - Greek were trying to recover their independence. He defeated revolt led by king Agis of Sparta in a bloody battle of Megalopolis in 331 BC, mostly thanks to large sum of money that Alexander sends him from Persian loot- that helps Antipater in hiring mercenaries from Greece. After Alexander's death, Antipater led Macedonian to victory against Athens and Thessaly in Lamian War in 322 BC, crushing revolt in battle of Crannon.
Army list – based on Rise of Macedon and Greek Mercenaries
1. Characters – up to 25 % points value
army must be led by Strategos Antipater – normal Strategos rules and upgrades apply,
- Officers
2. Cavalry – up to 25%
- Companion Cavalry – no Agema squadron – some part of Antipater’s cavalry was composed from Hateiroi squadrons, left by Alexander. Agema, as a first squadron of Hetairoi, take part in Alexander’s expedition to Persia and so cannot be used.
- 0-2 Prodromoi – one unit can be upgraded with kontos – some Thracian and Paeonian scouts were probably part of Antipater’s army as his ‘eyes and ears’
- Light Cavalry – they’re represent mostly mercenaries – Greek and Macedonian’s neighbours.
3. Phalangites – at least 25%
- only Pezhetairoi are allowed, no Agema upgrade – Antipater had at his command half of Macedonian Pezhetairoi – 6 battalions (TEXAIS), Hypaspists’ regiment came to Persia with Alexander and as far as we know it was the only one such regiment in Macedonia
4. Skirmishers – up to 25%
- only Mercenary and Skirmishers are allowed – Agrianians of king Langaros were rather send as a support to king Alexander’s army (to strength his favourite light regiment) than to serve at Antipater’s forces.
5. Mercenaries – up to 50%
- only Xenagos-Polemarch allowed,
- Greek Horse (one unit per each unit of Hoplites and Peltasts)
- Veteran and Mercenaries Hoplites – every second unit can be Veteran,
- 0-3 Iphicrateans,
- Peltasts and Psiloi – there’s cannot be more units of Psiloi than Peltasts
- As soon as Alexander could send money captured in Persia to Macedonia, Antipater start to hire Greek Mercenaries. It help him to enlarge his army (we must remember that he had to send reinforcements to Alexander from time to time) and prevent king of Sparta Agis from recruiting them for his planned war against Antipater.
Antipater's Army in Macedonia and Greek - 334-322 – 2250 pts army.
1. Strategos Antipater - warhorse, heavy armour, xyston – 176 pts.
2. Taxiarch – heavy armour, pike – 62 pts.
3. 10 x Companion Cavalry – L, M – 260 pts.
4. 10 x Light Cavalry – javelins, Musician – 155 pts.
5. 23 x Pezhetairoi – L,M – 240 pts.
6. 24 x Pezhetairoi – L,M – 250 pts.
7. 24 x Pezhetairoi – L,M – 250 pts.
8. 12 x Merc. Javelinmen – 60 pts.
9. 12 x Merc. Bowmen – 72 pts.
10. Xenagos– large shield, light armour – 60 pts.
11. 23 x Merc. Hoplites – L,M – 240 pts.
12. 24 x Merc. Hoplites – L,M – 250 pts.
13. 16 x Peltasts – thrusting spears, shields, L,M – 138 pts.
Army was tested against AoA Ancient Greeks Army (without Cretans) – ‘Spartans’ heavy army, with weak cavalry.
III. Antigon Monopthalmos as a satrap of Phrygia - struggle against Nabarzanes.
One of Alexander's most able and trusted officer, he became satrap of Persian Phrygia in 331 BC. Antigon received about 1500 soldiers from Alexander (probably his command was mostly from Greek mercenaries and League troops) and had to cover communications line of main army when Alexander's army ventured into Syria and Palestine. His small corps (hard to call that 'army') was forced to fight against Persian army led by satrap Nabarzanes and recruited from Capadocia and Paphlagonia. Antigon also recruit some Persian levies to enlarge his force and he fight three battles against Nabarzanes. Persian army was vanquished in those engagements which showed that Alexander choose good man to rule Phrygia.
Army list based on Rise of Macedon, Greek Mercenaries and End of Persia.
1. Characters - up to 25%
- army must be led by Strategos Antigon - he's army General and he cost 170 pts. Strategos profile should be used with BS 3 (due to Antigon's injury) but Antigon is Stubborn.
- 1+ Officers
2. Macedonian troops - up to 25%
- 0-2 Prodromoi (both can be upgraded with kontos)
- Light Cavalry,
- Mercenery Skirmishers and Skirmishers.
3. Greek Mercenaries - between 25 and 50%:
- 0-1 Xenagos-Polemarch,
- Greek Cavalry (one for each Hoplite and Peltasts unit),
- Hoplites - 1+ League Hoplites, every second unit can be Veteran,
- 0-2 Iphicrateans,
- Peltasts and Psiloi
4. Persian levies – up to 50%
- 0-1 Noble Cavalry,
- 0-1 Satrapal Cavalry,
- Skirmish Cavalry,
- Light Infantry,
- Skirmishers
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Antigon Monopthalmos as a satrap of Phrygia - struggle against Nabarzanes. – 2500 pts army.
1. Strategos Antigon - warhorse, heavy armour, xyston – 181 pts.
2. Illarch - warhorse, heavy armour, xyston – 66 pts.
3. 10 x Prodromoi – kontos, L, M – 250 pts.
4. 10 x Light Cavalry – javelins, Musician – 155 pts.
5. 10 x Merc. Javelinmen – 50 pts.
6. Xenagos - large shield, light armour – 60 pts.
7. 23 x Merc. Hoplites – L,M – 240 pts.
8. 24 x Merc. Hoplites – L,M – 250 pts.
9. 30 x League Hoplites – L,M – 220 pts.
10. 30 x League Hoplites – L,M – 220 pts.
11. 15 x Peltasts - thrusting spears, shields, L,M – 130 pts.
12. 10 x Noble Cavalry – heavy armour, FCG – 215 pts.
13. 15 x Satrapal Cavalry – heavy armour, FCG – 270 pts.
14. 11 x Takabara Javelinmen – Musician – 60 pts.
15. 11 x Takabara Javelinmen – Musician – 60 pts.
16. 10 x Mardian Archers – Musician – 65 pts.
Army was tested against Persian Army (up to 25 % Characters, up to 25 % Persian, at least 50 % Levies).
IV. Alexander’s “Fast Column” (Macedonian Special Corps):
IVa) Rise of Macedonia - from Shipka Pass to Gaugamela.
IVb) Imperial Army - from winter 330 BC
These are forces that usually were led by king Alexander in powerful thrusts that crushed Persian forces and help Macedonian side to defeat Persia. They were always stationed on right wing, treated as a ‘place of honour’. Alexander use them also in all ‘special missions’, like during early Balkan Campaign, in siege of Tyre or Gaza or in battle for Persian Gate.
IV a) From Shipka Pass to Gaugamela – Rise of Macedon army list:
1. Characters up to 25%:
- King Alexander must lead army, he is General.
- 1+ Officer - There are so many famous Ilarch or Texiarch that usually accompanied Alexander in battle that every player can choose his favourites –Craterus, Seleuces, Ptolemy, Coinos, Perdikkas or Menidas are just are few you can use…
2. Cavalry – up to 50%:
- 1+ Companion Cavalry – one unit must be upgraded to Agema – Alexander always lead from the front, charging with his elite squadron of Hetairoi – Agema.
- 1+ Prodromoi – one per each unit of Companion, all can be upgraded with kontos – Prodromoi always support right wing, they were the best scouts but also great fighting unit. Probably all Prodromoi squadron (four regular Thracian squadrons from Macedonian army and Paeonian squadron led by prince Ariston) after entering Asia were already equipped with kontos as a Sarissophoroi.
- Light Cavalry – they were units of Greek allied and/or mercenary cavalry, famous mostly from the Battle of Gaugamela.
3. Phalangites – at least 25%
- 1+ Hypaspists – you don’t need to take unit of Pezhetairoi to have Hypaspists in army – Hypaspists always take part in all Alexander’s ‘special missions’ and on the battlefield they link cavalry and light forces right wing with Pezhetairoi in the middle of Macedonian army.
- Pezhetairoi – no light armour allowed – Taxais of ‘the lightest armed Pezhetairoi’ is often related by Arrian as a part of Alexander’s ‘special force’. One of these battalions was treated as a elite but was not AGEMA but ASHETAIROI.
4. Skirmishers – up to 25%
- Agrianians and Mercenary Skirmishers – all Mercenary units can be equipped in bows, every second unit can be Agrianians – Agrianians javelinmen were always part of Alexander’s ‘fast column’, their small unit (two companies, 500 javelinmen each) became one of the Macedonian ‘crack’ unit. Mercenary Skirmishers are Macedonian light troops, usually bowmen – TOXOTAI.
5. Allies and Mercenaries – up to 25%
I. Greek – 0-1 Xenagos, 0-1 Cretans, Peltasts, Greek Cavalry – Cretan bowmen were one of Alexander’s favourite unit and he often use them alongside Agrianians to support his cavalry.
II. Thracian –0-1 Mounted Chieftain, Thracian Light Cavalry, Getae Cavalry,
III. Illyrians – 0-1 Mounted Chieftain, Illyrian Cavalry
- Thracian and Illyrian allied cavalry sometimes were used as a support main Macedonian units in battle
IV b) After Gaugamela – Into the India – Imperial List:
- Use a list above with restriction and new units beneath:
- Restricted units:
- Prodromoi and Greek Merc. Cavalry. Battle Standard Bearer
- New Units:
- 0-1 Persian Companions, Hippakontistai, Dahae/Skythians,
Alexander’s “Fast Column” (Macedonian Special Corps):
Rise of Macedonia - from Shipka Pass to Gaugamela. – 2500 pts.
1. Alexander - warhorse, heavy armour, xyston – 211 pts.
2. Illarch - warhorse, heavy armour, xyston – 66 pts.
3. Taxiarch – heavy armour, thrusting spear, javelins – 61 pts.
4. 10 x Agema Companions – heavy armour, L,M – 320 pts.
5. 10 x Companions – heavy armour, L,M – 260 pts.
6. 10 x Prodromoi – kontos, L, M –250 pts.
7. 20 x Hypaspists – L,M – 290 pts.
8. 20 x Hypaspists – L,M – 290 pts.
9. 20 x Hypaspists – L,M – 290 pts.
10. 11 x Merc. Bowmen – 66 pts.
11. 11 x Merc. Bowmen – 66 pts.
12. 15 x Agrianians – 105 pts.
13. 15 x Agrianians – 105 pts.
14. 12 x Cretans – 120 pts.
Tested against Thracians, Illyrians and (heavy cavalry) Persian Army Lists.
a i jeszcze mam taka drobna sprawe masz moze jakies propozycje co do jednostek jakie zestawy ??piechota kawaleria i artyleria wszytko oczywiscie w 1;72 z gory dzieki:D
i trudno z nią coś pokombinować. Dwa oddziały jazdy i tak musisz mieć (chyba że wybierzesz opcję spieszenia - nie polecam) więc doradzałbym iść w tym kierunku - armiaj 'Grunwald style' - sama jazda (dwa rodzaje polskiej + lekka litewska), ewentualnie wozy taborowe osłaniające skrzydło.
